Chivonn Anderson on Building Marsha's, Philadelphia's First Queer Women's Sports Bar
Chivonn Anderson is the founder of Marsha's, Philadelphia's first queer women's sports bar — now at the center of a national conversation. Before the headlines, she sat down with Danielle Davies to talk about why she built it, what it took, and what belonging really means.
What if belonging isn’t about finding the right space—but building one?
In this episode of Roar, Danielle Davies sits down with Chivonn Anderson for a conversation about what it really means to feel seen, safe, and fully yourself in the spaces you move through.
Because for many people, especially those navigating identity in layered ways, it’s not just about going out, showing up, or participating.
It’s about whether the space was ever designed with you in mind to begin with.
Danielle and Chivonn explore what happens when that sense of belonging is missing, and what it looks like to create something different.
Together, they talk about
🔥 The difference between being included and truly belonging
🎤 Why many spaces feel neutral, but aren’t actually designed for everyone
🧠 The experience of navigating environments where you’re not fully seen
🌿 What makes a space feel safe vs. performative
💥 The decision to build something instead of waiting for it to exist
📣 Why specificity matters when creating community
👑 What it means to design a space with intention
⚡ How physical environments shape how we show up
Chivonn’s work reminds us that belonging isn’t passive. It’s purposeful, and something that can be created, shaped, and protected.
This conversation is for anyone who has ever walked into a space and felt like they had to adjust themselves to fit it.
🔑 Key Takeaways
Belonging is not the same as inclusion.
Not all spaces are designed for everyone.
Feeling safe in a space changes how you show up.
You can create what doesn’t exist.
Intentional design matters, especially in community spaces.
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Full Transcript
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When I was younger, I didn't understand why there weren't so many, you know, queer spaces for women. Well, you got to go back to, you know, women couldn't own credit cards until 1975. So, how the hell are you supposed to open a business if you can't have your own credit card? That's Chivonn Anderson, and this is Roar. Hi everybody, this is Danielle Davies, your host of Roar.
Today's guest saw something missing and decided to build it. Chivonn Anderson is the founder of Marsha's, Philadelphia's very first queer women focused sports bar and it's located on South Street. What started as a very personal frustration wanting to watch women's sports and a place that actually felt welcoming became something much bigger. A place designed intentionally for community, visibility, and joy. Chivonn's path to opening marshes isn't linear.
She brings a wide range of lived experiences to this work. experience that informs how she thinks about leadership, safety, and care without defining her by any single chapter. That perspective shows up not just in what Marsha's is, but in how it operates and who it's for. Marsha's is named in honor of Marcia P. Johnson, a reminder that queer spaces have always been about more than nightlife.
They're about survival, celebration, and being seen. And at a time when spaces centered on queer women have been disappearing across the country, Marsha's feels both timely and deeply necessary. In this conversation, we talk about what it takes to build space when there isn't one, why women's sports became the catalyst, and how personal history can quietly inform leadership without becoming the whole story. Welcome to Ro Chivonn. thank you for having me.
We're very excited. As I was saying earlier, I'm a Philly girl at heart, so I'm I'm really pumped that this is here, and I spent many, many years on South Street hanging out there myself, so I'm very excited for something new, too. but let's talk about this. By the way, as like a country, I don't know if everybody knows this, but nationwide we've seen a sharp decline in LGBTQ spaces, especially those centered on queer women. Why do you think those spaces have disappeared?
And I obviously I'm not saying it as like a statistician or a historian, but personally, what do you think gets lost when they do? well, a lot of things that people don't understand when it comes to running and operating a business, your overhead is very expensive. And you know, usually you have like a triple net lease where you have to pay, you know, you got to pay your rent, your taxes, all of the maintenance, all of the insurance plus your payroll, plus everything else. And sometimes that gets to be super overwhelming. Or if you're doing a really good job and you're successful and the property owner comes in is just like, "Oh, hey, by the way, I'm going to raise your rent $10,000 a month," which could be devastating.
" so I don't think that it's a lack of people wanting to go out and be in these spaces. It's a lot of the times it's financially just like extremely burdensome and you can't really afford to continue to operate the space even though you know it's needed. How are you combating that personally at Marsha's? So, I am a licensed real estate agent and I have been for the past five years and I knew from real estate standards, it's more beneficial to own than to rent. So, I was able to find a commercial property that had a liquor license available and also had a business assets available that I could purchase at a I'd say affordable rate.
37. So, in the grand scheme of things, that seems like a lot of money, but when it comes down to what our mortgage is per month versus what rent would be for a space on South Street, it would be double just because that's how these things operate. So, being able to purchase the building, meaning that we are our own property owners, which means we set our we set our rent and we know that all of the improvements that we're doing to the building are going to benefit us in the long term, which means we are investing in the real estate, which in two years when we have the building reappraised, the third floor is going to be completely redone. The second floor is going to be open and functioning as another bar and venue space. So that means the real estate the value of that is going to increase which means that's more money available for us to pull out once we refinance to purchase the next Marsha's location.
Oh my god, you're so thinking ahead. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. So, you know, kind of go down a rabbit hole, but it's it's it's important.
And I didn't want anyone to have any control over what we do cuz I've been in those situations before. And I was like, if we're going to really make this work, we have to own literally everything. And that's kind of where we are right now. You know, it's it's funny. I don't operate in real estate at all but in terms of like online space and podcasting or marketing anything there's so much talk always and it comes on repeat but owning your own space even on the internet versus putting all your you know you hear people who are like I had 60 billion followers on blah blah and you lose it's just such a risk and you've taken kind of that risk out of it which is awesome and being on South Street it's like there's no greater advertisement you're right there, right?
And let me say like there's risk involved. There's not there's there's always risk when you are doing any kind of business like it's just is it calculated risk? Is it worth us doing this? And the answer was yes because I believe in I believe in our concept. I believe in the team and I know that we are fulfilling a need that has been lacking in Philly in Philadelphia but also in the surrounding areas as well.
I was just going to say, you know, speaking of Philly specific, what did it feel like to notice the gap in your own city? I mean, it was always there. It's not like you notice it. It's just there. So, it's it just gets to the point where you want to do something, but it's it's difficult to make sure.
It's a game of chess. You want to make sure you're making the right moves at the right time. And when an opportunity when the opportunity presented itself for me to be able to purchase the old Willy Mammoth on South Street, I knew the universe was just like, "You've been working towards this. Here's this opportunity. " And I like talking to my one of my partners last night.
she lives in Texas. " Yes. And that's just kind of what we did. I was like, we've been doing this for a really long time and why not like why not do it for us? Yes.
Yes. Yes. Congratulations. well, and you know, another thing besides the fact that it's Philadelphia, I feel like you hear people and I don't know these people, but I do but I do hear people say things like, "Do we really need queer spaces? Like, do we need a dedicated space?
Isn't it like it's 2025? " How do you answer that? Especially right now. that is definitely not true. Like you have you have spaces basically dedicated to kind of like everybody or every kind of like social niche or anything like that.
And it's it's about having safe space. It's about having a space where you feel as though the owners and the people working there reflect your ideals and who you are as a person. " And that is extremely important. And we're trying to make Marsha's that space for everybody in the community. And it doesn't you don't necessarily have to be queer, but you just it's about being yourself, being safe, and feeling comfortable.
Absolutely. And also, you know, there are still some gay bars in Philadelphia, but this is al this is sports related. So, you mentioned something about how this like initiated for you. And let me go back. You were a bar owner before.
Yes. So this isn't a completely like bra, you know, you weren't florist and now you're absolutely not. So you were a bar before. This wasn't like completely a change of pace, but the sports part is also a new change of pace, right? Because didn't you go into Can you can you talk to us a little bit about what inspired it?
I had the opportunity to like be with one of my best friends and knock something off her bucket list, which was going to see a women's World Cup match. And we were able to do that in 2019. We were able to go to France and we were able to watch the US take on France in the quarterfinal match in Paris and our seats were second row center goal like and they only cost $22. Oh my god. Like it was it was insane.
Yeah. but it was such an amazing experience being over there and watching this match, you know, in person. And then we traveled. we were still traveling in Europe when the semis were on. " And we go in and you know, we reserve a table and then we come back later and it's packed and like they got one TV on in there and it's the women's, you know, World Cup semi-finals.
So, we're all pumped when the, you know, US wins. We're like, "We're going home. We're going to watch the, you know, we're going to watch the final. It's going to be amazing. we can be like we've you know we were there we saw that quarterfinal match and we go to a local sports bar and this place has like in Philly in Philly on on South Street I'm not going to say the name of the bar but they got like 40 TVs in this place and it was a Sunday at like noon and we were like all right you know put the match on and the bartender was like no and like what do you mean no like it's the FIFA Women's World Cup like the US is in the finals.
" I'm like, "It's a regular season Phillies game. You got 40 TVs. " And I mean, there was maybe 15 of us all wearing our jerseys. It's like noon on a Sunday. Like, come on, bro.
Like, you want these people in here. Such a long series. Like, Right. Right. You know, and eventually he kind of gave in and put the TV, you know, switched it and then more people started coming in for final.
So eventually it was on like every single TV and the bar was packed because people wanted to watch this match. They wanted to support their country being, you know, support their country, support these athletes who dedicate their entire lives to get to that point, the finals in the World Cup. And the least we can do is like watch them on TV. Yeah. I mean, well, and you know what, that's the other thing.
It's like you're doing this, you've got this bar for variety of reasons, right? , but and you're supporting the community, but I love the fact that you're also supporting women's sports, which just don't get the attention that men's sports get anyway, right? It's because the powers that be, and this is what I'm I'm trying to work towards, they didn't see any way to make money in advertising. And all of a sudden, that narrative has shifted. So they're like, "Oh, well, we can, you know, we were able to generate some money from these, you know, particular from just this industry.
" And I'm like, "Okay, that's fine. " So, now we're here. Now, what do we do? We have to show up. We have to let them know that yes, we are going to support these women as they are at the height of their career and we're going to tune in at home.
We're going to go out to different bars or restaurants to watch them to watch them do what they do best. And we have to just continue to to strike because that momentum is going and I don't think it's going to slow down. " And this is the one way that I can show up and help them is by creating the space for people to come and watch a game together. Cuz it's nothing like watching a team you love with a group of people that make you feel like you're, you know, a part of the family. And whether they win, lose or tie doesn't matter.
You get to experience that with people. And that, you know, that stays with you and that's what we're trying to make marshes be for people. Quick pause because if you're listening to Roar, I have a feeling you're exactly the kind of person I write for. I send out a Substack newsletter where I go a little deeper, more personal stories, behindthe-scenes thoughts, and honestly, some of the things we don't always say out loud here. com.
I'd love to have you there. And now back to your regularly scheduled podcast. Well, you know, you were talking about like it, you know, get the momentum going and it's it felt like and this is not where I was going, but I have to just mention it. It felt like prior to 2024, there was some momentum going in the right direction in the world. you know, there were stores carrying LGBTQ friendly things and like kind of just seeming like they were part of the momentum and their inauthenticity has been, you know, obviously not great for them, but so disappointing for everybody who kind of bought into that narrative or that thought that this was meaningful, but it was really just about the bottom line.
And I'm really thrilled for you and the community that like, you know, when something's being built from scratch, it kind of has to be authentic. I mean, what you're doing sort of has to be authentic. So anyway, sorry. I just It's just so Yeah. Anyway, let's talk about Marshia P.
Johnson for a second. You Marsha's named after Marcia P. Johnson and who stood for visibility, resistance, and care. How did her legacy influence your vision for this space and why her? " And I just I don't know like she just popped in my head immediately and I was just like you know gotta be you know Marcia P.
Johnson. She was she was the face in [snorts] a way of the revolution, the riot, the resistance in Stonewall. And I came out when I was 15 in the '9s. And there I knew I had to come out. I just had to.
And I was like a I thought I was an endangered species, you know, like there wasn't a lot of out people, especially teenagers in the '9s, you know, but I was able to come out and live my life and not really fear anything. And I was able to get to this point where I can purchase real estate. I can purchase these things. I can be visible and I can be my true authentic self. And I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Marsha and Silver Va and all the other people that were in the front lines, you know, our our kings, our queens, you know, like everybody in between like their sacrifices and everything that they basically went through every single day of their lives to to exist needs to be recognized.
And this is just a very simple way for myself and my team and our community to say, you know, thank you to all of those warriors that stood up and said no more and gave me personally the ability to live my life the way I have. And when thinking about her and thinking about the space and you know and obviously like there's there's heaviness to that, right? But there's also celebration and joy and a party. It's a bar. It's fun.
How did you think about kind of safety, inclusion, and accessibility when you were designing the space? well, the space there is really not like there's nothing like physically that we could do to the building. The building is kind of like what it is. But we went in there. I know my strengths.
I know my weaknesses. And my weaknesses are like design in every sense of the word. " Yeah. So, I was able to connect with a local interior designer and a local graphic artist, and we just talked about what we wanted the space to feel like. And color scheme is very important.
Like making small little changes to this space to make it feel like, you know, you're going into cuz it's it's it's a real house. And I wanted to feel like you're going into, you know, like I like to describe myself as your baby crazy aunt that's like, "Come on in. " but just has that like fun exciting vibe and the energy is extremely important. And when you walk into a space where the employees feel safe, they feel seen, they want to be there, they want to work, they want to have a good time, that kind of radiates out to the to the customers that are to our guests that are coming in. And we always say like if someone doesn't feel safe because of something that's going on, please come and tell us immediately.
We will address any issue as they are brought to our attention. because we don't want people to feel like they're if something's going on that they're going unseen. So we do our best to make sure that everybody is having a good time. They feel like they can go in here and truly be themselves. And if something feels off, come tell us and we will do our best to make sure that you feel comfortable where you are because like this is Marsha's is an extension of who I am as a person and I always want people to feel like they are safe when they're with me.
So [snorts] that's what I want Marsha's to feel like for people. Well, especially and you know, we were talking earlier about before we went on air that you know, you've had some personal experiences where you were not safe. You did not feel safe and more so people did not have your back when you went to them. So, how has that perspective show up in Marsha's? and how has that made you know h we also talked about things coming full circle and it all you know all our past informs us as to who we are now.
You wouldn't be who you wouldn't be the wonderful spectacular exact you that you are right now without all of these good and bad things happening in life. Right. Right. So even though terrible things happen that is our perspective hopefully in our lives that we can take with us. At least that's what I hope for myself anyway.
Right. so how does that how does that work for you? Like even when you say, you know, you want people to tell you right away if they feel unsafe. I mean, right off the bat, I can hear it because I know your story, but does it show up in other ways? [snorts] it's I don't know.
It's hard to describe. what happened what happened to me was the fact that a predator was allowed to survive in an environment where it should have been destroyed. And people just were like, "Oh, that's not my problem. That's not my problem. It's not my problem.
" but there are opportunities in your life to do the right thing even though you know it's not going to end well. And you have to live with yourself. You're the only person that goes to sleep with what you did and wakes up in the morning with how you feel about it. And we don't really have a lot of control in our lives. we have the ability to make decisions and react to how other people make decisions.
and I've always just wanted to operate in a way where things are open and safe and if there's anything going on in your life, whether you know me or not, like you can come up to me and you can talk to me and I will do my best to try to figure out a way to help you through whatever is going on. but I don't know, it's like fear. Fear is something that you can't let rule your life. because if you're afraid to do anything, then you're never going to do anything. and I was just like, if I could go up against the military at 21 years old, then I pretty sure I can open a bar with people that I love when I'm 44.
Right. Right. And you did. You did that. Like that's impressive.
And that's and first of all, I just want to say you should never have had to. So that's a disgrace on their part, but also look at I mean, talk about strength. Like good for you. So thank you. Thank you.
And you know, and I think about it all the time and I was like 21 Chivonn. I was just like, it just got to the point where you get Yeah. But you also get pushed and you know that like yeah I'm a baby but I'm also an adult and I have a responsibility to do what is right. I was raised by parents that instilled in me right and wrong and how to stand up for people that are being bullied or can't stand up for themselves. And sometimes you got to sacrifice yourself for the for the larger picture.
and I and I do the same thing over again knowing exactly the consequences of my actions because it's the right thing to do. Well, there need to be clones of you then. That's because you don't hear I mean I actually do talk to a lot of women who I think are doing the right thing and it's always inspiring. But you know I feel like even though 21 is young and it is or 21 is an adult, I have a 20-year-old son and it's like yeah he's an adult but he's like a manchild, right? So it's when you look back at even your 21-year-old self, you're like oh like oh come here like you're so young you have so much.
So, my niece is about to turn 21, you know, and like she is the age of I was when I was going through everything and it's it's insane to think about like being her age and doing what I did like completely alone because I didn't tell my family until way after the fact. So, like nobody knew what was going on. It was one of those things where you kind of keep it a secret because you're kind of ashamed and it took a lot of it took a few years of intense therapy for me to really tell my mom everything that happened. She knew some things happened, but I had to tell her, you know, all the I'm not going to go into it because we don't need to, but like the terrible, terrible, traumatizing things that happened to me. And once I once I did that, I let go of that trauma.
That trauma did not control me. I controlled it. And I through therapy, I was able to put that experience in a little box, put it on a shelf, and leave it over there because it's always going to be with me, but it's not going to be in control of me. Okay, real quick. If you're listening and thinking more women should be hearing conversations like this, the best way to support the show is just to follow or subscribe wherever you are.
It really does help it reach more people. Thanks so much. Okay, back to the show. Do you feel like that and you know that kind of lived experience and having that kind of extraordinary bravery at that very young age helps make you a more thoughtful founder or leader? I think so.
I remember the first time I was like asked to be captain of like a softball team and I asked my dad like what why did they why did she ask me and he's like well she sees leadership in you. She sees that you can communicate with the team and that they'll respect you and they'll listen to you. And I was like what? He's just like don't don't stress about it too much. but he also like instilled in me something that sorry I got to plug my computer in that he was like you got to understand that when you ask people to give you 100% their 100% is different than yours doesn't look the same but if you know that they are giving you everything they have then thank them for it and that has really resonated with me in my entire life as how I look at things.
You got to be a good follower sometimes to be a good leader. You got to know when to step up. You got to know when to be quiet. And you have to know that everybody is different. Yeah.
Very. And Okay. So now you're open. You've got you're open and congratulations. What has surprised you the most about how people have responded since you've opened?
I mean, the amount of thank yous that I get when I'm in the bar from everybody and I mean, it goes from, you know, kids that are 21 to people that are in their 80s that come in and just thank me for opening the space. And I thank them for existing, for being out, for being themselves because it takes bravery to be your true authentic self. And I want them to know that I recognize that and that I am grateful and thankful for them and that, you know, every dollar that they spend at Marsha's goes back into Marsha's and will go eventually go back into the community. So, like I want people to see us so they know who is behind this idea of marshes and as we grow they can grow with us and know that we're not the person behind the curtain, you know, like we have faces, we're real, we have emotions and we're trying our best to make sure that we do right by people. I love it and I love that you're kind of I mean for me personally being a Philadelphia local person it's it's so meaningful that like the city of brotherly love can actually act like that because so often you know we I actually I work at a store sometimes and we have a clip it's an eagle's hair clip and it says no one likes us we don't care right it's so funny because for the city of brotherly love like that's the reputation but I think that's for people outside.
Outside. Absolutely. Absolutely. We're family. Yeah.
Exactly. Exactly. Like, I can make fun of you. That's fine. But if someone else from the outside comes and makes fun of you, we got ourselves a problem.
Exactly. Exactly. But I feel like, you know, the idea of what you're doing at Marsh Marsha's is bigger than a bar. It's bigger than the one. So, what are your plans for the for the future?
Because you mentioned already the second one. How many plan to have? I mean, I'm trying to like we are building a brand and I want to franchise I want to have multiple locations in Philly tri-state area and if we can franchise nationally, that's my goal. and I am working with people to, you know, we're already starting to lay the groundwork with that. I under I understand what it takes to build a successful company to be able to have a franchise to be able to like we don't have the investors.
I've got partners. So like we are like self-funded. We've got an SBA loan. So like there's again there's no one else like really pulling the strings and eventually we will take on investors but that's going to be in a way where fully our discretion. you know, if it's a woman that's like, you know, I love your ideas.
We're doing this, we're doing that. It's like, all right, we're going to sit down and we're going to talk about it and weigh things out, but you have to start strong from the beginning. If you're going to build a grip, if you're going to build a brand, people need to know you know what you're doing. And that means hiring the right people to do the right jobs. So, I hired an interior designer.
I hired a graphic designer. I hired a PR team. I have an amazing chef. I've got partners that have been in this industry for a very long time. So, we know how to do all of these things and we make it seem easy when it's incredibly difficult.
it is incredibly expensive. But you have to, in my experience, you have to start in a way where people are like they know what they're doing. And we do. and I have a foresight of where I want this business to go. And it's going to take us long time to get there, but we're already, you know, we're already making moves towards doing bigger and better things.
And I have the team in place that allows that allows me to think about all the block parties that we're going to throw coming up in, you know, in April and May and June. you know, everything that's happening in Philly, we are going to be at the, you know, right in the middle of it. Like South Street is going to be a huge factor in this year in 2026 and Marsha's is going to be right up front and I want people to know that we're we're professionals and we know that what we're doing and we just want people to have fun. That's And tell me like what you've done there so far in the space because you say you've got the whole rowhouse, right? Yes.
So, the first floor is operational. the we're working on getting the second floor open. we just do, you know, a few things and I knew that buying the building that I was going to have to invest money into the building in order to get the second floor operating. So, we're a couple of months away from that being open. So, the second floor is going to be we're going to have another bar up there.
it's going to be a full open space. So, we'll have dance parties, we'll have events, you can rent it out for private events. And then the third floor, that's all of our offices. Oh my gosh. So, it will the Marsha's on South Street be kind of like the original hub then?
And you'll have the offices there to operate? Yes. Awesome. That's a lot of foresight. How long have you been planning this?
I mean, the idea of wanting to create out pretty well. It's It's been something I think I've been working towards my entire life. I just I'm in the right place at the right time with the right people and I have the experience of working at different companies, watching them go from a smaller operation to a larger national operation. And I worked for them. I was for a movie theater called Alamo Draft House.
and they are based in Austin and now they're like a national company. And my business partner, Trish, she's my main partner, she was their the national food and beverage director. So, we understand how to operate on a larger scale. And with the amount of talent that we have under one building for such a small space, it seems kind of redundant, but when you're looking at it as a larger picture, it makes sense because I already have my director of operations there. I already have my beverage director there.
I already have my chef there that knows how to do multiple things and operate multiple locations at the same time. So, we're building that foundation really strong and, moving forward, we're just going to present ourselves as a, as a business that if you are an investor that wants to really, you know, do something cool, you're going to want to come up and talk to us that I think that's great and I think it's great. It sends such a signal about again the city of Philadelphia to the nation. What do you for queer women who've never had a space like this in their city? What do you hope Marsha's represents even from a distance?
that there is space like we're still here. We're still trying to figure it out. It's just it's hard. And when I was younger, I didn't understand why there weren't so many, you know, queer spaces for women. Well, you got to go back to, you know, women couldn't own credit cards until 1975.
So, how the hell are you supposed to open a business if you can't have your own credit card, you know? So, it's just like a lot of these things have factored into having safe spaces for queer women. So, with Marsha's like being able to own the bricks, own everything is something that I'm trying to have other people think about if you're trying to open a space, like if there's a way for you to own everything, then own everything. have a team that understands and has experience in these industries so you know what you're getting into and how to be successful and know that it's going to take a couple of years for you to to break even. That's just, you know, turn a profit.
That's just kind of how it is. But if you're aware of that going into it and you set yourself up the right way, then you are setting yourself up for success. It's not the lack of people that are going to come to this space. It's the fact that overhead sometimes is just too it's just too much and sometimes people get into an industry that they aren't truly familiar with and sometimes just unfortunately doesn't work. Oh yeah.
I mean restaurants and bars I mean they're notorious right? They just it's not without good intention that they're going in. Is your goal for franchising for ownership of each location? so I mean the idea is that you when you franchise then you just sell off parts of the franchise. " So you do a whole, you know, thing and then you come up with a franchise agreement and then you go out and then you help them set everything up, training, there's protocol, things that they have to do in order to stay within the franchise agreement.
but yeah, like still having ownership over the franchise, but then also giving franchises the opportunity to be individuals to do things that are unique to them. with I would think with the franchise is that we're just trying to create a blueprint and a structure. Gotcha. For people to Would you want them though to own their building? Like just out of curiosity, you're hoping.
Okay, got it. because that way it at least there's always risk like you said but it alleviates that particular risk especially if people you know unfortunately in 2025 oh my god it's 2026 you hear a lot of negative rhetoric and so that just kind of eases that for you know ownership I think means something and right and yeah I like that. And last question for you. If someone walks into Marsha's for the first time and leaves feeling just one thing, what do you hope that feeling is? These people get me.
That's awesome. That's awesome. I want to come in. I'm coming in. I'm coming up.
please, please do. Oh, yeah. So, wait, just real quick, like for people who are local, what are your hours? So, we are open seven days a week. Monday through Friday.
We open at 4. and we close at 10:00 Monday and Tuesday we close at midnight. Thursday and Friday or no, we close at midnight Wednesday and Thursday. Friday we close at 2. Saturdays we open at noon, close at 2.
Sat Sundays we open at noon and close at 10:00. All those hours are on our website, okay? And I'll link to all this on the show notes. And then if you've got, you know, we'll check everybody who's watching, check the show notes for any details. And we'll keep you updated on Marsha's.
You're going to have to get to South Street. If you don't know what that is, you're in for a treat. In Philadelphia, it's a memory. It's iconic. It's iconic.
It's one of those things, you know, people think of Philly, they think of Rocky, the Art Museum, that G State Street. You got to go to South Street. I know. I know. You have to.
So, thank you so much for being here, Chivonn. I really appreciate it. Oh, you're very welcome. And I'm so grateful for you having us on the show. Us, me, the royal we.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Thank you so much. I loved how Chivonn talked about what it actually feels like to walk into a space and just be. No explaining, no adjusting, no performing, and how powerful it is when women decide to create those spaces for themselves and for each other.
And next week, we're going somewhere we don't always go, but probably should. We're having a very real, very open conversation about women's bodies, sex, and all the things we're not taught to talk about, but absolutely should be, with three sexual wellness experts in our sex round table. Until then, if this episode made you think of someone, send it to them. That's how these conversations keep going. We'll see you next week.
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